They say that we lack officers in the Indian army. Then you are up for it and apply. Then they say, you are not eligible. I wish they’d make up their minds. 2012 is certainly a bad year for Indian defence aspirants. We have seen so many changes recently in various defence entries like TGC, SSC, AFCAT, Navy, etc. So many blunders in deciding eligibility, merit list, and recently in publishing the correct result. Let’s see what all happened.
Before we move further, let me clarify that this post is not for criticizing or letting any organization down, but to show aspirants how things have changed now. Let’s talk about it one by one.
Indian Army:
1,129,900 Active personnel, and 960,000 Reserve personnel, I seriously doubt we lack officers and army keeps on supporting me with this.
1. SSC-10th Technical Women Merit list disaster: Army notified some eligible engineering branches in their notice, and they have recommended many women candidates from those branches. At the time of the merit list, they have directly removed those branches and canceled the candidature of recommended candidates.
Affected Branches:
1. Electrical and Electronics
2. Mining/Construction
3. Industrial Engg & Management/Automobile
4. Electronics and Instrumentation
5. Micro Electronics & Microwave/ Opt Electronics
This is a serious issue that is handled by the army very lightly, at least think about candidates, putting branches on notice which do not have sufficient vacancies is sheer negligence and shows poor administration, waste of money and time, for both. With no clear idea about how many female candidates got victimized, but roughly near 30-40.
2. TGC and SSC-Technical Entries: A very popular entry, which is very hard to manage and handle because of the uncontrolled population of engineering students in India. Seriously, the most ill-managed SSB interviews are for TGC and SSC-tech, candidates who went for TGC- Allahabad, Bhopal, and Bangalore can understand it very well.
First of all, why the army is following this entry, what is the outcome they want from technical entries? As most of us know that techies go to the technical field or some unit related to technical work like EME etc, but again, do the army think how they are going to select suitable candidates?
The answer is NO because they do not know the difference between IT and CSE, and many other streams. They are recruiting candidates based on the alphabet their degree name has, but not the subject they have studied. Why Indian army specifically need CSE students? do they need their degree name or the subjects they have studied, a CSE student is more like an IT student, then on what bases they have decided the vacancies, whether you recruit CSE student or IT student it doesn’t matter because both are capable of doing some work. But when you say CSE is eligible then you can not say IT is not eligible, it becomes a Joke, a joke like joinindianarmy.nic.in website. I guess the army must have a look at their website condition, total scrap, hope with this they may hire IT students so to fix their website for free and with a better design and navigation. God knows where the whole defence budget goes.
Recently in TGC-117 they have eliminated 4 more branches, and kept a clear-cut statement something like this ” No Deviation From Above Qualifications Is Acceptable. Claims Of Course Content/Similar Stream Will Not Be Accepted.“. Now you can not argue on this, case close.
What is to be followed:
- Look at IAF, they conduct AFCAT, if you have seen their eligibility criteria for technical entries, they ask you to mark some 8-10 subjects from a set of subjects. If you have studied a minimum 8- 10 subjects from a list mentioned subjects, you are in. This shows that IAF really want them to do some technical work and this brings them more talented and intelligent officers. The army must follow something like this, just do not put old notifications, just by modifying a few branches, do some research on what actually you want.
- With the present defence budget, army can easily conduct something like AFCAT, twice every year. This is not happening because army really don’t need techies, technical entries are happening just for the namesake, it shows there is no actual technical work happening in army or defence, carry on with this and we will forever buy equipment from outside.
- Now if you say forget technical entry and go by CDSE, then, how would a IT student find it easy when a CSE student is going for a technical entry that too without any written exam.
- At last, we can not do anything except write a mail to them or post something like this.
Indian Air Force:
1. AFCAT 02/2011 Merit List: IAF is known for its flawless work, also you may find AFSB interviews very convinced. IAF has a record of hiring more candidates in a particular entry, but what about making vacancies for them. Last time in AFCAT 02/2011 there were many candidates got merit out.
85+22+52 = 159 candidates were out, and that too after reserve merit list.
Hope IAF understands the hardwork of aspirants behind this and the dream they have to join IAF. They either recommend in limits or increase vacancies, but not something like this.
Hope best results come in AFCAT 01/2012 merit list.
2. AFCAT 02/2012 Result Failure: IAF published AFCAT results on time, but after few days they have cancelled the result stating error in published results and mailing system. Now it being more than one month and results are still pending, however mistakes happens but for something like IAF, there is no margin for errors. That is why SSB interviews are hard, no margin for errors, one wrong officer in force and boom. So, IAF must follow something which they look in aspirants. PERIOD.
More details on AFCAT results here
Navy:
Keeping a high standard since long, apparently navy do not have more vacancies as compare to Army or IAF, but whatever they have, kept at very high standards. Minimum cut off in any navy direct entry goes up to 70%. I have no idea how much fair it is, and what kind of thought process is behind it. We have been taught that officers are judged by OLQs and other things are secondary. So, apparently, Navy has the best officers when compare to Army and IAF, with both OLQs and high academic %.
Entries like Tech/Sub are fine but why so high cut off for logistics, Pilot, observer etc.
Hope in the group of more than 70%, Navy is getting good officers because probability goes low when you limit candidates on certain eligibility criteria.
So, dear friends if you want to join Navy but you are a victim of high cut off, then go by raamband “CDSE”.
Conclusion:
Hope die hard defence aspirants will make it by hook or by crook, nothing much to conclude on this.
What is your opinion on this, do share your valuable response and comments below, let’s discuss more !!
If the Army recruits under the TGC manner, it should be for some technical work! Sure you get trained and all, but having a minimum basic knowledge of the techniques is required and I guess that’s all they have a cut-off for. You get 4 years of engg, 3 years for other bachelor’s degrees, isn’t that enough to get an aggregate of 65-70 irrespective of the board/university/college.
Yes it hurts when you can’t get into an entry due to the cut-offs, but then, if you are conscious about the Armed forces, you should have always had it in mind to score that minimum percentage and be safe!
I’m doing my engg from a government college.Being the first batch, we’ve had it easy with zero stress! Needless to say I became care-free and was having some 58% till the 4th sem, but then, realisation set in that with this, a defence job is a distant dream and I’m lucky to have had enough time to be on the safer sides of cut-offs now( though I wasn’t lucky enough for UES-22). When you are applying for officer’s posts, an average academic record is necessary. I do agree that there should be a written exam to select the candidates for SSBs and this written should be completely course-specific.
OFFICERS………………..FUCK TECHNICAL ENTRY SYSTEM………..GO FOR CDSE………IF THEY DONT WANT US TO JOIN AS TECHNICAL OFFICERS………..THEN WE WILL GO FOR NON TECH……………THEY HAVE CHALLANGED OUR DREAMS……..WE WILL CHALLANGE THEM TO STOP US BY MAKING RUBISH AMENDMENTS……………JUST WAIT N WATCH………I M COMING………..SAY 2 GENERAL VIKRAM SINGH…………
instead of comlaining regarding army diffrent sort of enteries i would like to request all youths to better thangs army for proving so many enteries to get into, hardly any other defence forces gives us such an opportunity ,if u have it in u ,definitely u will a serving officer in indian army.believe in doing rether than saying.
you r from rtu
Even I’ve the case when I appeared for the SSC (tech)-40th Entry recently. They found me ineligible and rejected me by saying that I’ve done my Engineering under the name “Computer Engineering” instead of “Computer Science & Engineering/Computer Science”. They told me that they require graduates whose provisional certificate clearly mention graduation under the name “Computer Science & Engineering OR Computer Science”. When I requested them to match my subjects with any other graduate from CSE, they clearly denied it. My University only provide graduation under “Computer Engineering” name since it has been established to students who studied in “Computer Science” branch. Moreover, I’ve also appeared for SSC (tech)-39th, TGC-115 (Both for Army) and UES-12(IAF) courses from the same certificate and marks sheets. I do really want to suggest Indian Army to adopt the documentation screening of IAF i.e. at least 8 subjects out of the mentioned subjects. so that the aspiring students from my university who want to seek their career in Indian Army can chase their dream.
To become an officer in armed forces.
1. I must have %, and they do ask for it(But they say we do only look for potential of an officer but not %)
2. I must not assume that Electrical Engineering and Electrical & Electronics Engineering are same ( in my case ), WTF!
3. I should understand that glorious institution which offers training in cutting edge technology, doesn’t know the difference between IT & CS!
4. I should make sure that organisation I am going to join will make things clarify by making amendments by clearing some confusion between computer science and computer technology, in short it is treating both engineering branches as same.
That’s the standard of recruiting. That’s the leadership in recruiting division. I always wonder whether advertising section and relevant HR departments are working in coordination.
i agree with u bro ur right these type of things demotivate good can candidates
@SSBCrack
You sir are a genius 😀
Nice post.
i also recommended for 10sscw-tech but before getting merit list army snd a ltr that we r not considering EEE as electrical branch 🙂
Hard luck, better try again through CDSE.
@ manish….. just see the army notification in join indian army website or check in ssb crack…for further information u can contact to army HQ.
well said yuvraj….and go ahead mamta…take care guys..
what abt EEE(electrical and electronics engineering) branch
eligible for tgc117 or not?????
please do reply
agree
thnx alot sandeep…as u also kw its a burning issue . its a issue of those aspirants who r amazing and they r soo audacious for indian army..n i dnt think putting our views or asking any query frm officer is wrong or it would spoil my chances of reccomendation.. i dont care at all about dis…
No u wont spoil ur chances by doing that but i dont thnk that SSBs have any thing to do with this matter becoz all these issues are dealt by MOD..in other words civilians like us. Army simply follows the instructions from Defense ministry. Though i am a die hard fan of Indian Army but have to say this..”They Act without thinking”. Illogical decisions…hahaha they expects us to be an engineer at the age of 21..is it some kind of joke??
i agree wid u ..bt sitting lyk dis we cnt do anything sir…many of d true aspirants hv made n given their whole lyf for the army …y dey dnt understnd that hw truely they love indian army n wanted to be d part of it..dis cn be seen by their hardwork….
MAMTA I WISH U ALL THE BEST FOR YOUR SSB.I AM SURE THAT YOU HAVE LEADERSHIP QUALITY YOU DONT HAVE FEAR OF LOSING CHANCE . ITS SHOWS THAT U R CAPABLE OF TACKLE PROBLEMS AND ABLE TO FACE ANY SITUATION WITHOUT FEAR OF DEFEAT THERE ARE SO MANY GUYS WHO DONT HAVE THIS TYPE OF GUTS THEY LIKE YOUR ATTITUDE IF THEY HAVE GUTS OR REAL SOLDIER IF THEY ARE JUST BUREACRATS THEN THEY DONT LIKE THIS SO ACCORDING TO THE INTERVIEWER YOU SHOULD ASK YOUR QUERY.
dis tym um gonna to put dis issue infront of d officer itself during my pi.. i dnt care wat will happen …but dis is vry important to put dese type of things infront of them..dey r taking it as a prank or wat?//? i hv seen many victims (my friends) who all r recommended bt dey r nt getting JI evn after 9 ur 10 attempt..
Make sure you don’t spoil your chances.
Dear Mamta,
I admire your guts.
I advice you not to raise this question in PI,rather you can ask it from your GTO who interact with candidates after ground tests get over.
PROGRAMING-:
As with networking, computer scientists and information technologists take two different approaches when it comes to programming, or writing a computer’s instruction sequences. For a computer scientist, the purpose of programming is to optimize the power, speed, efficiency and style of computer network software. In contrast, for an information technologist, the purpose of programming is to understand.
1: how the software functions and how to best implement that software into a system.
2: Information technology also entails writing software for every purpose , system or according to the requirement of user or customer along those software that bridges or ties two different technologies together into a single database.
As with networking, an information technologist can be responsible for:
3: programming maintenance, which includes installing system updates and troubleshooting issues.
IT engineer focus on improving the usability and efficiency of technological systems and processes. Their goal is a smoothly functioning computer network-free of bugs, glitches, and interruptions-that provides an effective flow of information so the company can keep on improving its work processes, customer retention and acquisition, and other aspects of its business.
I LOVE MY BRANCH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.I WILL PREPARE A PPT AND SENT TO ARMY HQ SO THEY HAVE TO KNOW THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN IT & CS BOTH ARE IMPORTANT PART OF COMPUTER SYSTEM .CS IS THE EARLY STAGE OF COMPUTER SYSTEM WHILE (IT) IS THE HIGHER STAGE OF COMPUTER SYSTEM BOTH ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS BUT DEPENDS ON EACH OTHER.SO THERE SHOULD BE SEPARATE ENTRY FOR IT GRADUATES LIKE LAST YEAR ENTRIES. ITS BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH IT&CS GRADUATES.LAST YEAR ARMY RECCOMENDED ME FOR SSB THROUGH UES & THEY KNOW VERY WELL THAT I AM FROM IT BRANCH .I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED IN LAST FOUR TO SIX MONTH THEY NOT EVEN CONSIDER (IT BRANCH) & BLOCK THE ENTRY FOR IT GRADUATES.
JAI HIND
Nice work bro. but this research does not fit into out Indian University system. have u seen ur colleagues of CS stream developing programs to optimize speed efficiency etc. I don’t think so, they develop programs in the same way as we do..No other special approach is required. they have studied the same concepts of programming and networking as we have studied in IT stream. we study from same books for eg yaswant kanetkar for C (Let US C)..Thr must be some difference in IT nd CS in UK or US but not in INDIA atleast.
VIVEK THAN WHY THERE IS NO ENTRY SCHEME FOR IT BRANCH .WE HAVE DONE LOTS OF HARD WORK TO OBTAIN B.TECH DEGREE .IF CS GRADUATES ARE ELIGIBLE THAN WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH IT BRANCH LAST TIME IN TGC 115 THEY RECOMMEND 9 CANDIDATES FROM IT BRANCH BUT ALL MERIT OUT BECAUSE BRANCH WAS NOT CONSIDERED FOR TGC115 AND NEARLY 16 VACANCIES FOR CS GRADUATES HOW IT IS POSSIBLE THEY SHOW ONLY 2 VACANCIES IN NOTIFICATION.WE TRY OUR BEST TO UNDERSTAND THEM THAT IT ENGINEERING IS NOT A SIMPLE GRADUATION .ITS LIKE A JOKE THAT MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE ELIGIBLE FOR TGC BUT IT ENGINEERS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE.I WANTS TO JOIN ARMY AS A ENGINEER SO I SERVE MY COUNTRY IN A BETTER MANNER .
You will get your chance brother
THANKS BRO
Good workout Sandeep. I appreciate your efforts.
I support you for your plan to send ppt to ARMY HQ.
Please make it asap,let us involve admin and others also in it.
We will send as much copies we can by post and emails.
“United we stand, divided we fall”
STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT-:
In the overarching field of computer systems, computer science and information technology represent two different developmental levels or stages. Computer science is the lower or earlier stage, as the experimenting and diagnostic testing computer scientists perform is responsible for supplying information technologists with new system technologies. Information technology, which is a higher or later stage of development, seeks to fit these computer science technologies into business frameworks.
NETWORKING-:
Networking refers to the linking of multiple computer systems, which allows for the sharing of data. Networks establish wireless connections using wireless networking cards or hard-lined connections using phone lines or Ethernet cables. In the realm of computer science, networking entails learning about and developing network protocols, with the goal being to maximize reliability, efficiency and scalability.
according to Globe University. In the realm of information technology-
1:Networking entails selecting and installing network technologies, as well as maintaining those technologies.
2: protecting networks from security threats.so security of a system is the major issue come under job range of information technologist.
3: Information technologist upgrade your computer software; get your office computer network, or your computer, up and running again after it crashes; set up and maintain the servers on which your company’s internal applications run; create and customize the software products you use; build websites; and build and maintain the databases that you rely on to gather information to serve your customers. to be continued….
Differences Between Computer Science and Information Technology-:
While some might use the terms computer science and information technology (IT) interchangeably when referring to the study of computers, the two terms are not synonymous. Both disciplines focus on the same subject matter, specifically computer networking and programming, but computer science and information technology approach these subjects very differently. In a college or university setting, the administration will typically offer computer science and information technology as independent majors.
According to global university USA-:
UNDERSTANDING Vs. APPLYING-
The primary purpose of computer science is to systematically understand the methodologies, algorithms and theories underlying the way computer systems function. In comparison, the primary purpose of information technology is to learn how to apply computer systems so those systems can benefit businesses and other organizations. For example, while a computer scientist would focus on the capabilities and limitations of a particular computer system, an information technologist would focus on whether or not that system could be useful to a business, as well as on how to best integrate the system’s technology into a business’s existing infrastructure. to be continued…
I LOVE MY BRANCH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.I WILL PREPARE A PPT AND SENT TO ARMY HQ SO THEY HAVE TO KNOW THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN IT & CS BOTH ARE IMPORTANT PART OF COMPUTER SYSTEM .CS IS THE EARLY STAGE OF COMPUTER SYSTEM WHILE (IT) IS THE HIGHER STAGE OF COMPUTER SYSTEM BOTH ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS BUT DEPENDS ON EACH OTHER.SO THERE SHOULD BE SEPARATE ENTRY FOR IT GRADUATES LIKE LAST YEAR ENTRIES. ITS BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH IT&CS GRADUATES.LAST YEAR ARMY RECOMMENDED ME FOR SSB THROUGH UES & THEY KNOW VERY WELL THAT I AM FROM IT BRANCH .I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED IN LAST FOUR TO SIX MONTH THEY NOT EVEN CONSIDER (IT BRANCH) & BLOCK THE ENTRY FOR IT GRADUATES.
JAI HIND
my branch is electronic instrumentation and control….i went for ssb bhopal for tgc 116 …they did’t took my ssb and send me back due to my branch that i have extra knowledge of control…so we cant take your ssb…they don’t get notified this by any means ….wtf……
my branch is electronic instrumentation and control….i went for ssb bhopal for tgc 116 …they did’t took my ssb and send me back due to my branch that i have extra knowledge of control…so we cant take your ssb…they don’t get notified this by any means ….wtf……
Hi everyone….. If you think despite shortage why inidan army not taking so talented engineers and other people…. I would say when a person in army he is dealing with lives of his soldiers. Nobody wants a mathematician who knows 2×2 is 4….. Army cant take shit…. Army has less salary opportunities, yet it doesn’t compromise…. You may get 99% in your degree but you may be timid with no creativity, inability to take decisions…. Only in Army the interview last for four to five days unlike IAS or IPS… And friends to be very true the interview of IAS and other allied services has different requirements. Twenty minutes of interview is good to judge their suitability on a dest… Army doesn’t want shit…. Life of your relatives cant be given in the hands of clerks or a person who could be good in books but bad in all things… Cheers
thanks SSB CRACK for your BOLD VOICE……..
Who said tht thr is no diff b/w CSE and IT . When we go for any of discipline it is being told what is difference b/w both, many a times it is the question which is to be asked in interview’s itself. Well major diff lies in two subjects i.e AUTOMATA and SMCS . Those who are in CSE or passed thru this branch knws very well about the toughness level and importance of these subjects.Well i am not goin in detail what these subjects are? after 2nd yr if we go for syllabus thn diff lies in same subjects too. If universities are running these branches seperately thn surely thr is a diff. In IT companies diff doen’s matter coz they basically works on development side but whn it comes on research part both streams have thr own beauty. CSE students usually got EDGE in networking field because thr series of subjects appreciates it. Well thr is a diff but ARMY didnt give any reason behind the removal of IT stream.IF CSE deserves IT too deserves.
we are not saying that both the branches are same what we are saying is that both are equivalent at least for employment purpose and as far as subjects are concerned different universities have thr own set of syllabus for both the streams for eg..i have studied both the above mentioned subjects though i am from IT and just for the clarification IT was started by the government just to tune CS students according to the market trends. If u will ask this question to an expert of the department he will simply tell u that both the courses are almost same..and research thng is somethng different dear..we are discussing here at graduation level…both the streams may differ at higher levels(but funny part is at next level thr is a confluence of IT & CS and they run wid a common name i.e. CSE)
sunaina i am from IT BRANCH and working in networking detartment of reliance…and our head is also from IT BRANCH so .dont say that cs student have more KNOWLEDGE about networking……any IT student can do wHAT ever a cs STUDENT CAN Do……thats why when there is any vacancy,,,,they mention both branches because they know that both can perform same work,,,,EXCEPT ARMY>>> @SUNAINA GOT MY POINT??
@devendra. . . well said!
i just wanted to know that if IT and CS, both are same then why all the universities in India has made them two different branches?
The could have just increased number of seats in CS, if they were willing to accommodate more number of candidates in the said branch or they wanted to meet the industrial needs.
dude i didnt said it that they are same i just said that what an CS graduate can do IT graduate can also do the same job..if u have doubt u can see it in any MNC either in india OR outside india……!!!………
there`s a bit difference but on that basis in recruitment they can`t banned IT….!!!
@rod..allow me to help u brother on this..see IT & CS are not different at all its like selling the same product by two names..its the basic funda of marketing bro..ur sels will rise like a fountain..and if u r not from IT or CS thn for u..it is difficult to understand..but we should change our mentality of following thngs like “if they are by two names thn thr must be some difference”…its not like that brother. check it by urself..visit website of any recognized university running both these courses and match the syllabus by ur self :))
Well, I really appreciate your post Admin.That’s what actual story is!
Its good that ARMY,AIR FORCE,NAVY hire only quality people.But keeping in consideration the current situation,i think they should have a look at their system and be more logical in it.You cant get more output, until you put large input/efforts. We have seen news saying heavy shortage in armed forces and we also saw recent proposal for need of cyber force,Special operations and aerospace force.If we club together these issues,we have answer (NEED OF NEW COMMANDS) against the question (SHORTAGE OF OFFICERS).Broadly three arms can act like this:
1. ARMY
– Keep 60% as criteria in either 10+2/Graduation/Engineering/other Bachelor degrees,this will bring heavy participation.
– Conduct one test similar to AFCAT,this will bring average candidate in competition.
– Hire people for special forces as they have PARA’s like command,this will lay base for creation of SPECIAL FORCES COMMAND and increase vacancies for various roles.
2. AIRFORCE
– Hire more science/engineering professionals, this will strengthen technical infrastructure and avoid technical faults.
– Run aerospace program within airforce, this will lay base for creation of AEROSPACE FORCES COMMAND and increase vacancies as well as participation.
3. NAVY
– Keep 60% as criteria in either 10+2/Graduation/Engineering/other Bachelor degrees,this will bring heavy participation.
– Conduct one test similar to AFCAT,this will bring average candidate in competition.
– Run cyber specialization program within navy, this will lay base for creation of CYBER FORCES COMMAND teams for empowering E-governance and increase vacancies as well as participation..
Atlast, i have something to say to MoD.
“Changes are always good until they bring opportunities and not reduce existing opportunities”
RAJAT I DO AGREE WITH YOUR IDEA IT WILL HELP THEM TO CREATE TECHNOCRATES ARMY BECAUSE NEXT DECADES WILL BE CRUCIAL FOR INDIA .CHINA, AMERICA INCREASES DAY BY DAY THERE CYBER POWER OR TRY TO HACK OR DAMAGE SECURITY SYSTEM OR OTHER FUNCTIONING BODIES OF ENEMY WITHOUT A SINGLE FIRE PRESENT ERA IS A CYBER ERA.
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With so much of confusion going on about the eligibility of engineering students of various streams in defence forces, I think it will be a good idea to conduct a single entrance examination for all entries like TGC SSC(T) UES etc. On basis of the performance of this exam candidates can be shortlisted for SSBs.
What are your views…. ?????
-ve
@Yuvraj Singh Plz justify
ahmm -ve becz confusion is not on our part so it should be clarified on the other hand and if u have a degree in engineering
thn u are an engineering rest all can be checked in SSBs..and if we need a single exam just to prove our quality as an engineer thn we dnt require another set up..we already have GATE..so y to waste time and money..but i am satisfied with the process though it has some cracks which can be mended..little bit of concern nd effort is required on the other hand… isn’t it DELTA :)))???
I will give you a thumbs up…@Yuvraj Singh
Ha ha ha nicely said “hire IT students so to fix their website for free and with a better design and navigation. God knows where the whole defence budget goes.” I’m victim of IT branch case, AFCAT result, high Navy cut-offs but this has not dampened my spirits and one day i will certainly join through CDSE :p)
This is very true sir..I totally agree with u as i myself is a victim of this.I was recommended this july in my 1 st attempt and was from sscw(t) entry.i was from ec branch.there were only 11 seats and they gave a merit list of 79 students from.I don’t understand y do they select such a large no of students.army should think about this issue.and do some thng for these people becoz there r many students who r wlling to join nd they just get merit out.after attending 10 day procedure its really sad..
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@ssbcrack Its really hard to make them understand..I am a victim of this IT & CS issue(SSC 39)..though i have produced all the certificates stating that IT & CS are equivalent for academic as well as for employment purpose but nothing has happened…the only thng they did is they sent my candidature cancellation letter(but CDSE zindabad as u said).. It seems like these notification have been designed by non-tech council.But i personally feel that its not ARMY’S fault..AICTE/AIU/UGC/UNIVERSITIES shall come forward to deal with these issues. Its so unfortunate that youth is facing confusion in regard to his degree and the responsible institutions are making thr profits out of it.
Guys why are we even discussing this.
Work hard, clear CDS and then crack the SSb. 🙂
If you getting dishearten by such small things how will you face to get SO or CO in ssb.
Be strong and discuss thing which can be useful during ssb for all of us.. 🙂
CHILL GUYS 🙂
bro i f the particular entry u are targetting then what ?? how come i clear cdse for navy pilot with 23 yrs age ???im going for IMA althrough but what to say for naval aviation 70% is shit man i have good flying skills too proven in my NCC yaar
Bro I have 56 % in my graduation and I have also given my last CDS in which my only option was IMA and OTA. I can never go for Air Force and Navy through direct entry or either through AFCAT where the criteria is also High.. I was shortlisted by Army for UES-22 entry but nobody from my college received the call letter.I have all the reason to be angry. But what I think that my destiny is forcing me to work hard and crack the ssb in the final 2 chances I am having in my hand 🙂
You people are also right in your stand but Believe in the Almighty and everything will be just perfect. 🙂
Keep Rocking Bro.. m/
All the best for your future.. 🙂 🙂
ssbcrack i totally agree with u reasons as per my views
1) what i feel % doesnt give any person more OLQs and certainly % depends on university also so either make one university system for all or remove this bullshit system of %
2)your point of naval pilot is correct and about other non tech entry is also accurate and correct as i myself is a flyer of NCC proven my skills in national level camp with 60% im not eligible for what i can do my best with passion and i can challenge any 70% guy to do better then me -landing(ask any pilot what it is for a beginner) well leave it here only
3) tell me a single NCC cadet with 65-70% with any national camp (no one can coz national camp requires 6 months prepration % will drop many cadets fail in exams no benefits for them what about their passion and career )so its totally unfair for a NCC cadet im saying this coz NCC cadets are not considered anything except in OTA special entry and naval c certificate holders have their special entry in navy and for me what IAF is giving is 10% reservation in technical and ground duties ( then why we learnt flying fuck of IAF )?????what to say cleared CDSE twice and my % is 60 dot going for CDSE only the best entry according to me , i will go for army being a aviator i will be a warrior
you are absolutely wrong that NCC cadet cannot have 65 to 70 percent. I have 77 percent in B.Tech, with two RD camps. You need to manage time. In NCC we are taught to manage time, they never teaches you to put your studies on one side and do NCC.
I agree that air force should also have ncc special entry
bro it depends on university ok i said above in my university i managed to get 60% u dont know how i know and u are not the only cadet of NCC in whole india im talking about all NCC cadets u are just a exception and from which directorate and RDC twice can u tell me how?????
and one more thing defence needs average person then how come this % shit came in between ?????? wtf if they want toppers like u bro then why vacancies are for others ???? in NCC u are taught to manage time ohhh i cant manage time thats why i got 60% bullshit what u learnt i also learnt okk its just a matter of fact % doesnt gives u an extra edge and have u cleared CDSE???????
i can’t say about university or marking scheme. I am not exception, I know many like me who were much better than me in NCC as well as in academics. BTW you are also not only cadet in India, and you can also be an exception 😉
I had done NCC from 2 air sqn NCC A.P. directorate. And I belong to the NCC batch when NCC training was of 3 years, that is the reason i got a chance to attend RD twice.
”Defence needs average person!, this statement is used in SSB to encourage the youth to keep on trying. If you have sound technical knowledge then you can be an asset for them. and knowledge is one of the requirement, there are lot of others. I am not a topper, I know people who have 90 percentage or studied from IIT and now serving in the defence. . . Yes, I cleared CDSE and few other competitive exams.
BTW NCC also taught us patience, and you are getting too much hyper 😛
as you are speaking about percentage: as too many engineers are their in India today, approximately 8 lakhs pass out every year. It is becoming difficult for SSB boards to tackle them, so to reduce the numbers they have used percentage bar. I also agree with lot of you that percentage dosen’t mean that the engineer will have sound knowledge or OLQs, but less percentage also doesn’t show that one have sound knowledge or more OLQs. . .
ok sir then have you got selected in ssb due to ur marks????? i dont think so and i am saying that % is not a way to access a candidate and yes and im saying you have seen many coz in AP you may get marks ,and patience is not what u can learn in NCC okk if you have it in you u will be selected NCC is not required man, not in other universities ask a pune university student where he will go where making 60% is a very tough job forget 70% and in my college marks are deducted if you attend NCC or do any national camp they didnt bother for you if you didnt come you will not get sectional marks i got screwed in two years consecutively due to NCC by my theory(even they didnt accept my attandence certificates issued from my NCC unit) i got my marks upto 60 dot. ok so in INDIA many are there who have the OLQs but not % and if you ask me technical knowledge it depends on the candidate if he wants to improve it or not ……..for me i m improving it day by day till now :)they can have a common entrance test for this wtf is % ??????i dont think its fair at all and about NCC you can see what IAF is giving to NCC cadets is totally unfair with respect to army(OTA special entry 50 seats twice with IMA CDSE twice 32 seats age 25 ) and naval NCC ( two years age relaxation and 24 years age limit and no% bar for naval cadets in spl entry with 10% quota in every entry ) IAF atleast give age relaxation or % relaxation if not vacany thats what my point is for NCC cadets of airwing ok and i said they wanted average person so % is nothing then??? and the one who improves himself day by day with less or more whatever % will be selected i can say for you ok 🙂
I never said percentage is the only factor. Yes, as you said ”if it is in you then you will be selected, NCC is not required man”. So in accordance of YOUR statement why to give special consideration to NCC cadets of age relaxation or special entry? if they have it in them, they can clear within the specified age limit 😉 😛
BTW my HOD didn’t support me for NCC, didn’t give me attendance reduced marks in internals. It happens to everyone, you are not just only exception. Every organisation cannot keep same kind of selection system. You have done Air NCC, then go for Air Force, they have entrance exam plus only sixty percent is the qualifying marks. I hope you are under 23.
As you said before, you don’t need NCC to get selected, so I think Air Force has a similar opinion like you and they are just giving ten percent reservation in merit list which trust me is really good after seeing the number of people getting merit out these days. NCC will ensure that you reach AFA.
I understand you must be targeting this particular entry. Now, you can’t appear. It is not end of the road. Prepare for CDSE and join.
YOU ARE RIGHT BRO EVEN THEY DIDNT GET 60% .THERE ARE SO MANY GUYS FROM MY COLLEGE WHO JOINED NCC IN FIRST YEAR BUT NOT A SINGLE ONE CLEAR NCC CERTIFICATION DUE TO SHORT ATTENDENCE OR EXAM KEEP IT BRO U WILL DEFINITELY GET YOUR GOAL
hey ROD i m that much intelligent enough u know IAF special entry is out for 194 course if you are less then 23 go to your unit ,.. ok and im clearing cdse C/o two times now waiting for third time . and % is certainly not a criteria to select a officer now im 23 and not eligible due to age in spl entry last time it was AFCAT they changed the procedure and i went to my NCC unit so many times they didnt know the procedure for spl entry u should apply through unit for AFCAT last time they said now what im not eligible wasted ,now again the procedure is changed what to do fucked up , i wouldnt have got so furious but i was looking for a single chance of AFSB but now will go for technical its ok will give my best in AFCAT ssb its fine .
and ROD im not discussing things here i m saying if navy can give age relaxation to cadets then why not IAF if they really want air minded people well u know u will not understand u only look at yourself thats it and u are manipulating things and discussing coz u know my points are correct ok for NCC airwing cadets what i said was correct hence spl entry is out this time for IAF got that B)
Yes I agree that notification should me based on ground realities..
Not just to minimize crowd ..
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70% in engineering is REALLY REALLY very unfair..
If cut of is 70% than how it is different from a XYZ company recruitment they also do like that..I have been told that DEFENCE selection is completely different and unique so many test and tricks , concepts of Pyramid selection e.t.c but as the time passing I think all this becoming a business selection process..Higher cut-off, less vacancy, Mistakes and most important lack of any LOGIC in their Notification.
That uniqueness is GONE!!
WHY THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THAT BTECH IS NOT A CUP OF TEA.70% IN COLLEGE LIKE JEC IS VERY DIFFICULT.I KNOW THE VALUE OF B.TECH BECAUSE WE ALL WORK HARD FOR THIS AND SACRIFICE PRECIOUS MOMENT OF LIFE AND SUDDENLY THEY SAID (IT) IS NOT ELIGIBLE OR 70% IN B.TECH IF SOMEBODY GET 70% IN B.TECH FROM GOOD COLLEGE IS HE WANTS TO JOIN ARMY I DONT THINK SO .FROM NOW I TOTALLY CONCENTRATE ON AFCAT IT IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR TECHNIES.
can we move to court of law filling a petition that Indian Army should decide the Engineering students eligibility on subjects studied rather than deciding just on the names of the branches ..
In that petition we can make IAF an example for the same … or just asking can we even challenge army hiring for TGC and Technical via Petition in court of Law ? @admin please reply
Sorry admin :D…yes rahul u can go to court but it should be a Supreme court and the petition shld be a Public Interest Litigation (janhit yachika) and u need at least 5 people to file that..just be in touch dear…me and my friends are planning for that..will inform u soon. Actually we are trying to resolve this matter outside the court..have submitted certificates though we did’nt get any response yet but we have decided to w8 till the end of this session..i.e. we will w8 till december..Hope MOD will understand and will take the required measures to solve this issue:::)) ADMIN your contact details are urgently required. will update u abt the proceedings 🙂 my gmail id is thinkyuvi@gmail.com
YOU ARE RIGHT RAHUL I DO AGREE WITH YOU.WE HAVE TO FILE AN RTI OR APPILE IN COURT TO SORTOUT THIS CONFUSSION.
ssbcrack u r vey much correct…………they are recruiting CSE but not IT first they sud know the difference between BOTH BRANCHES.then ban them………..u just take CSE student and tell IT is not eligible……IF U RECRUITER HAVE DOUBT IN THAT THEN ASK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM FROM IT COMPANIES IN INDIA ………….
MY DREAM WAS SHATTERED BY THEM DUE TO THIS DISCRIMINATION ONLY ………..
BUT I TRIED THORUGH CDSE 2 TIMES BUT WAS CO-OUT……….BAD LUCK NOW WORKING IN RELIENCE……BUT HAD GRT DESIRE TO JOIN ARMY……..AND OUR COMPANY DONT ALLOW FOR T.A.OTHERWISE I WUD HAVE JOINED THAt……
NOW MAIN THING IS THAT I DONT WANT THAT IT SUD HAPPEN WITH ANOTHER ASPIRANT LIKE ME……..REALLY FED UP BY THEIR RECRUITMENT RULE>>>>>>>>>>!!!.AND THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROADSIDE CLG OR NIIt…….THIS THINKING IS SHIT WHO CREATE DIFFERENCE<<<<<!!!
no company what so ever even if it is Reliance or uska Papa can stop you from joining TA move to court of law if you have so much desire to join .. and set an example for others too …. my Previous company did not grant me leave for my SSB Interview which almost at the end of month .. the result when i came back from SSB Co-out they asked me to leave the company and did not paid my salary too … you know what i did …. I slapped Company head on his Face cause he spoke a words or two against ARMY ..
Really bro..but that was not required though :p(on a lighter note) dnt worry devendra this wont continue for long…
You are right also their age limit starts frm 19 yrs for techies,how can a person obtain a btech. degree at 19?
it’s totally crap.
i was thinking to file RTI for that,but unfortunately defence is nt covered in RTI
hahaha nice one mayank..All these things need to be sorted out ASAP..otherwise it will turn into a chaos
they are fucking 2012 batches i can say 😛
@mayank kaushik …. the age limit is correct . i think you forgot to notice that there is a TECHNICAL ENTRY SCHEME (TES) just after 12th class . So in that case you can obtain a 12th certificate at 19 ….can you ? . In case of “thinking of filing RTI ” … i think you should stop thinking about that.
my dear Soch Me Dooba Hua ek pal..what do u think about CDSE age limits for different wings..can u justify that too??
an apt and fair post sir. Totally agreed on the point that tgc is worst managed ssb. I think the time has come when ssb centres need to be increased so that the aspirants can be managed for tgc. Secondly, this cut off criteria is biggest paradox done by army. On one hand, they say, they need people with average intelllengce whom they can train and then they increase cut off which is disheartening for many genuine aspirants. even in the prestigoous exams like civil services, the criteria is 60%. Another decision by navy is somewhat whimsical, for navy/observer post, it have set minimum 70% crietria for engineering students. but at the same time, if a person have got 70% in maths and physics in 12th and opted for any other stream and his graduation percentage is less than 70%, he is eligible. First of all, all knew many of engineering students easily get 70% in 12th but engineering is a different ball game and one may or may not get aggregrate of 70. And this does’nt mean that he or she is not fit for the post. Again there is possibility that many of b.tech students may be actively involved in sports also and cannot get minimum cutoff criteria. So does this means, only a higher cut off criteria sets bench mark for the future officers. All said and done, i still love indian defence forcea genuiely, tried once but unsuccessfull but will keep on trying. Best of luck to all ssb aspirants.
@ ssbcarack: never seen you this furious,..calm down sir..things will be better..lets hope..change will happen 🙂
Ha ha , nothing like that 🙂
Okay first a fall i would like to mention that I am not against techies but I feel enggineers who aren’t getting jobs outside comes to army. Mostly they are from road side engg. colleges. I have seen only handful engg. from quality colleges like NIT who would like to jjoin defence. There are enough engg. in DRDO for development of Army. Plus Army has opened many entries for engg. like TES, TGS, UES etc. Else for graduates its only CDSE in which the engg. can also apply. Rather it seems that army is hungry for engineers. Small mistakes are there but thy aren’t the thing of everyday.
There are so many engg. these days. Their quality is quite low. Half of them are shit in communication skills. We should not emphasis on the type of degrees rather we must check the aptitude !
First of all it doesn’t matter whether a candidate is from road side college or NIT, army has kept some cut off and college certification rules and each and every engineering graduate can apply if he satisfies this.
Also if a candidates is with less intellect and poor communication skills, any how he/she would find it difficult to clear SSB.
But how a IT student with 90% from NIT is different from CSE student with 65% from NIT, and how much they differ in what they have studied ??
Seems like army is tired of running TGC, recruitment is happening with poor logic behind.
@ My dear Irony Sarcasm see “engineering is not halwa” secondly quality of the candidate is decided by his ability not by tha name of the college on his degree nd that is well judged by respective SSB boards..thirdly communication skills doesn’t mean expertise in English..it simply means conveying ur msg in an efficient manner..As they say engineers are “FIRST TO GO AND LAST TO COME”..nd let me tell u dear that in TGC and SSC entries large number of aspirants are from renowned pvt companies like TCS, Infosys, Wipro etc…as the author said its not abt engineers its abt the mismanagement that they are facing these days 🙂
What a Battleon conversation is going on.
Specially with Mr Ironysarcasm…
Well i just want to say you dear that you have no knowledge about Engg Collages and about Engineering. Lets deal 1 by 1.
1. 1st you told Engineering are not getting job so they go for army. My question to you is why only army is there not any other field?? You know Mr i can bet on that in inspite of having lots of Engineers in India non of the Engg’s are no sitting at home, all are some where settle and doing something.
2. you have used a word so called “Road side Engg Collage”. Will you plz give me the difference between a good collage and a rode side Collages???, Do you Mr ‘BITs Pilane, Annamali University, Bit Misra, Bit Sindhari, and many more are not NIT or IIT but they are not less then IIT and NIT. i hope so you are getting my point what i mean to say.
3. you have said very less qualitative students apply for army, giving Example of NIT. I fell its not the marks which Judge the qualities of SSB aspirants its the OLQ which Judge dude..
4. Finally you said “There are so many engg. these days. Their quality is quite low. Half of them are shit in communication skills.”. Do you know Mr Communication is such thing which is Highly Trainable.. What matters is that you should get a right Environment, so shit is not in communication it is in the thinking dude.
Well i just want to say i also have completed my engg from ECE stream from a very small collage who had just opened in 2007 and we where the 1st batch but still i got the job and working as System Engg in “Texas Instrument”, and i am also SSB aspirant. I hope so you are getting me what i mean to say because “Samazdaar ko issara ke kaafi hai”
Jai Hind
BROTHER FIRST OF ALL I WANT TELL THAT NOT SINGLE ENGINEER IS FROM ROAD SIDE ENGINEERING COLLEGE.WE ALL R FROM ENGINEERING FERTINITY SO THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THIS TYPE OF DISCRIMINATION AND ON ONE THING I M SURE THAT ARMY NEEDS OFFICERS NOT PROFESSIONALS LIKE MNC
.DO U KNOW OLQS .THE PERSON WHO INHERIT THESE QUALITIES DEFINITELY BE A OFFICER WITHOUT ANY DOUDT .THOSE ARE FROM NIIT OR IIT PREPARING FOR SSB ONLY BECAUSE THEY DIDNT GET PLACE IN CAMPUS BECAUSE IF THEY CAMPUS PLACEMENT THEY NEVER WANT TO JOIN ARMY BUT THOSE WHO HAVE COMPLETED THERE B.TECH FROM OTHER COLLEGE PREPARING FOR THESE ENTRIES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE GOAL OR DEDICATED TOWARDS THERE GOAL .SO AT THE END I WANT SAY ONLY ONE THING ENGINEER IS ENGINEER THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM COLLEGE DOESNT MATTER TH ONLY THING MATTER PERSONALITY OLQS
DESIRE LEADERSHIP OR DEDICATION BECAUSE ARMY NEEDS OFFICER NOT BUREAUCRAT LIKE GENERAL KAUL OR THAPAR THOSE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEFEAT OF 1962 WAR.MY FRIEND IF YOU WILL NOT CHANGE YOUR MENTALITY THAN I M SURE U WILL NOT SELECT AS AN OFFICER IN ARMY BECAUSE ARMY O NOT NEED RAJ THAKARE ARMY NEEDS MANEKSHAW. I RECOMMENDED THROUGH UES LAST YEAR AND I GOT SELECTED BUT UNFORTUNATELY MERIT OUT .THATS WHY I SUGGEST U MY BROTHER
@SSBCRACK
Ok sir.. If you say then it doesn’t matter whether candidate is from a road side college or from a good campus college.. but i have a say on that, may be i am no one to decide but as far as cut off is concerned, it is fixed by Army but the biggest prob in India is that there are so many universities which have different syllabus and subject of different standards that
For eg: a student from Pune gets 70% in his bachelors but same student would have scored not more than 55-60% in Delhi University.
So there is no fair chance for the candidates from those universities which have different marking scheme and high syllabus standard.
May be a small aptitude test like AFCAT for such entries like TGC will help to avoid such mis-management
I agree on this 🙂
@To all
I AM NOT SAYING THAT ARMY SELECTS USELESS ENGINEERS, BUT MAJORITY OF THEM APPLYING FOR THE JOB ARE NOT VERY GOOD IN THEIR FIELDS.. OFF COURSE.. ONLY THE FEW CREAMY ONES GET RECOMMENDED AND SERVE 🙂
@yuvarj Singh
Not only engineering. any course is not a halwa. I have seen people passing out as drug addicts from IIT and even good engineers from an avg college. Surely candidate is judged on his marks/ability & not on the name of college. And i know the definition of communication skills; I have heard of people passing SSB by using Hindi as their language! the point is there are surplus engg. in India (more the quantity less the quality). The less able are filterd out!
This also results in the ruckus created by aspirants during SSB interview troubling the authorities. This has happened many times !
yes there are very good candidates with a nice CV but they are very few..
TCS and infosys nowadays are just mass recruiters, they recruited around 1100 students from our campus last year.
@SANJEEV YADAV
Okay so as you have declared that i have zero knowledge about engg colleges. I must assume that you are the honorable HRD minister 😀
Still i will reply to your points
1. Yes the extra engineers are not sitting @home, they have jobs but its unsatisfactory ie. underpaid, understatus etc.etc. (So they sit at home) then they think of applying for other fields which includes army , off course if they aren’t good they wont be selected!
2. Come to the capital of India, you will see many roadside colleges, ill equipped colleges, with just a building and a small campus, there are so many on highways in NCR ! tThe colleges you mentione- BITS pilani, BIT Mesra, Annamalai are pretty decent colleges my friend, some of them even have better ranking than the NITs and IITs. They have good campuses and are highly equipped and produces finest engineers.
Its not me, The whole education ministry is concerned about the communication skills of students in engg. colleges. I know they are judged on olq but if they are not able to communicate (be it in Hindi or English) their ideas and thoughts then how will be they judged on OLQ?
– Its good and congrats that you got a job but here also you are not getting my point. Even i have known many people who are from small new colleges and now are working in reputed organizations. One of the female officer I know is from an engineering college from dehradun which is just 6yrs old ! My point is that students who have good knowledge and are highly able are not applying for it, they are very few in numbers! This is a sad state! Resulting in shortage of officers !
Can’t a B.Com student get in Navy? Logistics branch?
In the website, they have given eligible courses, B.Com is on it. But when the vacancy came, B.Com wasn’t there!
Can anyone tell me what’s going on?